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situation room." "john king, usa" starts right now. thanks, wolf. and good evening, everyone. you might call this a back to the future day in politics. the biggest policy fight ise or the bush tax but it isn't just democrats versus republicans. both parties have internal tax feuds too. e 2010 campaign ad generating the biggest zz features bill clinton attacking jerry brown 18 years ago. even president obama got in the flashback spirit today, campaigning like it was 1992. >> i feel your pain. >> and since the blast from the past is the theme de jure, how about the former house speaker newt gingrich and the perhaps future presidential candidate newt gingrich saying president obama's problem is that he h aa quote, a kenyan anti-colonial world view. the return of brown, clinton, and gingrich in a moment. plus, we'll go live o delaware to explore a huge tea party test in a big primary tomorrow. but first, the campaign debate over what should happen when the big bush tax cuts
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adopted in 2001 expire at the end of this year. here to audit the tax cuts, freddy ballsair, j.c. watts, gloria borger, and joining us from new york, cnn political contributor and republican strategist, ed rollins and john avalon, also a cnn contributor, as well as senior political columnist for the daily beast. let's get straight to this tax fight. president obama went out to the fairfield, virginia, doing a little town hall in a backyard. and he was making his case that the you should keep tax cuts for those families making $250,000 anbew, and those making more than that should pay more. number one, the president says that's only fair. number two, he says, we can't afford it because red ink. >> but we can't give away $700 billion to folks who don't need it a think somehow that we're going to balance our budget. it's not gog to hapn. >> one intere, ing int, freddy, to the democrat the first, in the audience, as the president did, that was the local congressman jerry conley.
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if you go to jerry conley's website, democrat,ni rrengior re-election, a little nervous. probably okay, but probably a little nervous. on his website, he's also a handful of democrats who support extending the bush taxes cut while the economy continues to recover, a position "the wall streu journal" calls reasonable. you have a president in the backyard with a congressman who disagrees with him. >> i think as the voters start focusing on the elections, which is what's happening now after laborday, people understand a little bit bettewhat these taxd cuts are. and really, it's a return to the bush economic policies that put us in the situation that we're in today. and peopleta will begin to understand that. people will also understand that the middle class is getting a a tax cut around president obama. and as long as the president's out there delivering that message himself, i think that democrats have a much better chance in nember than a lot of the pundits say they will. >> j.c., i want you to come in on this point, because the republican party are saying, extend all of the bush tax cuts, there are a few exceptions, but
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most are saying, extend them all. this is no time to cut taxes in the middle of a recession. this is the point that president obama is making right here. he says if you extend the bush tax cuts, if you do what he wants, extend them only for $250,000 and a above, you're adding this to thec deficit. the president acknowledges that. but if you do the entire package, you do this. and the president says in a time of all the redu ink, you can't afford that extra part. essentially, the rich don't need it, j.c., so pay down the debt. >> well, i would have thought the philosophy that says you're adding to the red ink, that that would have been taken into consideration with the health care bill and with the stimulus bill and so forth and so on. we're on pace to spend about $1.70 for every dollar that we bring in this year. so, you know, the tax cuts, i hink the philosophy that republicans have is that we don't need more taxes, we need more taxpayers. and how do you create taxpayers? the market does not respond very
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ll t uncertainty in the markplace, and they don't respond very well to tax eases. and that's anybody, you know, middle income upper income, people will sit on their dollars. they will not invest. if we're going to say, let's create a higher tax bracket for investors, for those who are creating jobs. >> i don't want to leave the imprbaession that there's only debate among the democrats. there's a debate among the republicans too. but how complicated does it make it for the president at a time when the democrats are already expecting big losses, to experience some disagreement? gerry connolly saying that, the blue dog centrist democrats in the house saying, don't do this now. >> i found that when we were out on the road last week, in ohio as well, look, it's complicating for the president, because he would like a simple argument. the simple argument is, we're on
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the side of the middle class, and they're on the side of the rich. and that's it. but there are lots of moderate democrats, there may be four or five democratic senators right now who say that they t won't ve with the president on taking away the tax cuts for the wealthy. so he's got a real problem legislatively about where he's going to get his votes. and i think, also, since he has a lot of these swing democrats, they're just -- they're not falling in line with that right now. they don't want to raise taxes on anyone in an election year, criod. >> and congress is bak. the senate was back in session today, so you might be thinking at home, they're going to al with this this week, they're going to finally do something, whether i like it or not before the election, don't count on it. this will probably at least onvr the senate side go over to the lame duck congress. let's focus on the republican divide and bring john and ed into the conversation. mitch mcconnell, the senate republican leader was back on the floor today. he knows what the president wants to d ao and he dis magree with it and he made that crystal clear today that he thinks it's bad policy, and for the
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republicans, good politi. >>ouldnly in washington could someone propose a tax hike as an antidote to a recession. and this is no small tax the tax hike the administration is proposing would apply to half of all small business income in thiscountry. >> that's the senate republican leader. justyesterday, john and ed,us te house republican leader said he would prefer it the way mr. mcconnell wants it, extend all the bush taxcuts, but -- >> if the only option i have is to vote for some of those tax reductions, i'll vote forthem. but i've been making the point now for months that we need to extend all the currental rates r all americans if we want to ge our economy going again, and we want to get jobs in america. >> ed, there's a certain, you know, we hold these truths to be self-evident to that, that in the end, if that's the proposal on the floor, almostll e republicans are going to vote for middle class tax cuts and
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say, i wish i could vote for bigger tax cuts, but the other republicans are mad neat mr. boehr essentially gave away the idea that i'm offering you $25 r that tie, but i'll give you $50 if -- >>he reality is, it's a whole economic battle. and think to a certain extent, the president making the comment, we have to take the money away from the rich people, becae they just save the money. the bottom line is, the chinese have saved the money, that's why we can borrow. there's three things you can do with your money, iest it, spend it, or save it. all three are good for the economy. giving it to a washington is no necessarily a good thing. and e larger taxpayers, and they are the largest taxpayers, basically are the one who is create businesses, small businesses that employ people. whether they're employingnters whatever, they're the ones that are putting money back into the economy. if we need to rae taxes,et's raise iton everybody. if we don't need to raise taxes and we can't cut the spending, let's basically keep moving forward. >> so john avalon, who winse t argument when you have some disagreement ovetactics when
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within the republican party, really, that's a disagreement over tactics and essentially disclosing your negotiating rategy. taxeising s is never popular, especially in an election year, especially in a recession. i think the reason the president is having trouble getting tracks on this issue is there is a credibility trap when he he talks about reducing the debt. when it's $250,000 per family, that can be a two-parent home, both working in the middle class, making middle class salaries. so i think one of the political tension points on the year this year is a gap between the working wealthy and what might be called the super rich, the bernie madoff crowd. and a lot of tse folksmi in the upper middle class, especially in the higher cost of living areas are feeling the squeeze from this recessn deeply and they deeply resent as well as fear the prospect of higher taxes. >> let me finish one point i missed. you can't take -- if the whole premise is if you make money, you go out, you work hard,
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you're a success story in america, wbue're going to redistribute the wealth. that has been the progressive democrats and that has been the strategy of this president since day one. this goes back to his community organizer, where he basically passed out welfare checks. at the end of the day, working people want to move forward. they want their kids to move forward. and the only way their going to move forward is t be ae to have the ability to save more of their own dollars or invest more of their own dollars. >>e everybody, hang on for jus one sec. this whole group staying with u throughout the show. before we go to break, we're talking about the policy of tax cuts and i want to come over here for one sec. if you're wating at home and ering, what does this mean to me? if you are a married couple that makes around $85,000 a year, if they extend the bush tax cuts, as is. this is about what you would pay next year. if the president got his way, u would pay a little less if you' a married couple at $85,000. if you're a married couple at t $150,000, if you extend the bush tax cuts as is , you would pay about this. under the president's plan, you would pay a little bit less next
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year. if you make $250,000 or more, here's essentially what would happen. if you're $1 million, if they extend the bush tax cuts, you'd pay this. if the president got his way and those tax cuts went away, you would pay more. in this income group, you d a little better, in this a little better under the obama plan, and this group, you pay higher taxes. that's the policy behind all the politics they're fighting about. we're continuing the conversation when we come back. live to delaware, a huge tea party test there. our political party stays with us. and we'll check in with jessica yellin who is on the ground before a key, key primary there.
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rewarding loyalty. now, that's progressive. call oclick today. tomorrow's the last big primary day before the midterm elections, which is 50 days away from now. and when was the last timeyo yo heard anyone say "all eyes are on delaware"? the polls close 25 hours from now and a huge tt for the tea party, which is once again taking on a mainstream establishment pure blican. let's ta a look at the candidates here. we can go up to the state of delaware. you have congressman mike castle. he used to be the governor of
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the.state. a very popular state. he's a moderate publican. everyone thought he was a shoo-in. this used to be joe biden's senate seat, until christine o'donnell. she's the tea party candidate. this time she iss viewed as having a big chance in this primary. let's get right back to our panel. national political correspondent jessica yellin joins us as well. jess, you are live on the ground in delaware. and among ose you have talked to is christine o'donnell who knows the national republican establishment is running against her, and she says they're running against her because they're scared. >> i think the party is obviously trying to desperately hold on to the power of who they get to choose to serve rather than letting the people chse to serve. and we're fighting back. we're fighting back hard. and i think that the establishment, whols's launched these false accusations and attack ads are not only fighting for my opponent's political career, but their own political career. >> heading into the final day,
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jess, what is the sense on the ground? is she in play? >> reporter: she really is in play, john. and part of the reason is because there's such a closed pool of voters. it's not an open primary. so only republicans can vote. in the whole state, there are 182,796 registered republicans. so they will decide the fate here. a lot of republicans and many democrats also think that if she wins, democrats will hold this seat, and that could decide the balance of power in the senate. so a lot rides on this primary tomorrow. but she is adamant that she can win in the general, and she actually seems very pumped up right now. she seems confident. >> ed rollins, help us with a little context here. we've had many tea party races, tea party primary challenges when the establishmentsays, if oh, my god, if that tea party candidate wins, we'll lose that race. and at least in polling so far, that may not be true, but if this one, she has run before against biden and lost. just about anybody you talk to who's ever been involved in delaware politics, you talk to
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them and they thinkthis is a flawed candidate in the general election. we would give up a seat that we could get. why is this happening? >> because the conservatives in many othese smaller states, particularly with closed primaries, make up a majority of the voters. and they don't like the reputhblican establishment. and they see mike castle as aat very fine guy, a great governor, a good member of congress. and i think a sure winner if he gets the nomination, they don't particularly like him. they like thetea pay. tea party is as much conservativeoters as it iso new voters to the process. and i think to a certain extent, thisgas the old reagan versus bush battle. this is -- particularly in a state like delaware. and i think she is a vy credible candidate. >> john avalon, you're shaking your head, why? >> because the fault lines in this fight are between chris christie, the current republican party, and sarah palin, who endorsed christine o'donnell. the tea party says it's about fiscal issues. t christine o'donnell is an anti-libertarian. she's been a lifelong social conservative activist, whereas
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mike castle cut income taxes three times, balanced the budget, voted against the stimulus, voted against the w health care. so what are we talking about here? we're talking about social conservatives trying to ride the tea party wave and will have the effect of giving joe biden's seat, which would be a huge win and pickup for republicans, to the decrats. y insane.lutel >> one of the things, j.c., as you watch this play out, this is one of many struggles we have seen within the republican party. your base is mad at your ing when ment, think george bush was president and they ran the congress for six years, they spent too much money, they didn't do enough to keep conservative principles, and some of them are mad. a lot of your friends in the conservative movement are cinrculating an old william f. buckley candidate, saying, i'm going to vote for the most conservative candidate who can win. is that mike castl your view? >> and i've written about that, john, on numerous occaons over the last six months saying that, you know, republicans, democrats, you take the tea granted or you ignore them, you do it at your own peril. i think the candidate, christine, i think she's a serious candidruate, because shs running at a time that she's
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running against an estaishment guy, and the country's just in a funk right now, if you will. ani think incumbents pay the price. the difference in delaware is, i'm not so sure that conservatives and the grassroots republicans are anti-mike castle. and i don't know a whole lot about delawa, but from whatr i've seen, what i've read, i've talked to a coupleth of people that have said mike castle can hold those conservatives for the general election or in the primary that gives him an opportunity to win, or a better opportunity to win in november. >> jessica, i sat down with mitch mcconnell last week, the d he's being very careful, because in his own state, rand paul won, mitch mcconnell was for the other guy. up in alaska, joe miller won, mitch miscconnell, the republic establishment was for lisa murkowski. so he's being very, very careful. but listen to mitch mcconnell wheng i ked him the very question we're debating tonighte people who know the state well say if mike castle's the
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republican nominee, he'll prob tab win tt seat. but if the tea party chaenger wins that nomination, she wi probably lose that seat. do you see ithe that way? >> well, the republicans in delaware are going to make that decision next tuesday. and once it's over, we'll rally behind the nominee and try to win the seat. >> now, that was the diplomatic mitch mcconnell. but if you talk to anybody involved in this race, here's their frustration. they think they have a chance at picking up joe biden's seat in t inware, barackbama's sea illinois. last year they got ted kennedy's seat in massachusetts, and they think they have a shot at harry reid's seat in this candidacy threatens to undermine their dream of getting the senate. >> reporter: they use very colorful language to describe what they think will happen if becomes o'donnell their nominee. they feel like this is within their grasp, picking up this seat, and if it's her, there's just no hope, is the general nse you get. not only that, there's a frustratioat she's causing mike castle to spend a lot of money in the primary and engage in a very nasty fight, which we
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say this about a lot of states, but delaware, they really are just so gracious and aimable about their politics here, this kind of nastiness is just so unpleasant tmany voters that concern that it will even taint mik castle going into the general, should he win. >> joe biden's -- >> reporter: oh, come ceon. >> mr. nice joe biden? >> it's not personal and biting the way -- >> and for christine o'donnell to be playing the vict card in that interview wh jessica is unbelievable. with the ugly, reay ugly whisper campaigns that aref coming out of her mpaign ads. it's really beyond the pail. it's really offensive stuff. aying the victim card or saying that the establishment's frightened is just ridiculous. >> a quick time-out on this one. jess, thanks to you. see you tomorrow night in delaware. one conservative i talked to today said his biggest concern, all that conservative money and energy going into delaware now could cost them a seat come november 2nd. when we come back, tonight's
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campaign manager, david plouf plouffe. the unsung hero of this campaign, who built the best -- the best political campaign i think in the history of the united states of america. >> that was election night, ti 2008. at times seems like it was light years ago. we're now 50 years from the 2010 midterms, and as this "los angeles times" put it, the obama coalition, blacks, women welcome latinos, young voters and suburbanitesis, quote, frayed and frazzled. great time to go one on one with david plouffe who joins us out in sacramento. i'onve g some policy questions and some politics questions, but it does seem like light years ago, in many ways, does? it not? >> it sure does. but, you know,kn i think thecatu know, we have an election right in front of us, as you said, and
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we're trying to work as hard as we can to convince those people we had in 2008. we had almost 140 million people vote in the presidential. you'll have 80 million vote now. this is a historic problem. but i do sense some intensification in the last couple of weeks around activism and volunteerism, and i am hopeful that can translate into better democratic turnout. >> let's go through some of that. one of the ways you can energize people is to give them a good policy fight to carry into their political activism, but yet there's a debate on the left of your party. as you ll know, many people think the president hasn't done enough to try to spur economic growth. robert cutner, a man you know well, a liberal columnist iting today in "the huffington post" writes this, "send congress more emergency recovery legisledatn, aid to the states, extended unemployment benefits and dare republicans to vote against it. it doesn't matter if a few misguided democrats oppose you too. the main blockage of a stronger recovery program is the republican party." how wouldou answer those on the left who say th president's not doing enoughou stimulus, enough government intervention in the economy?
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>> listen, obviouslyeople are going to have their points of view and we need all the great ideas we can,obviously, in the economic situation we're in. but i was in iowa yesterday, i'll be in sacramento tonight, talking to a lot of people who are involved in the elections and i think people are very proud of what we've done on the economy. and you know, i saw some of your program earlier, the debate on the tax cuts. this is really galvamonizing democrats. i mean, basically, the republican party is saying, we want to spend anoth $700 billion, almost as much as the recovery act, by the way, to give tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires. as opposed to the president and a lot of democrats saying, let's give them to the middle class. and this is going to be a big debate in the coming weeks. it's a very important debate for the country. and essentially what that say s to the american people is the republican economic policies, which are a big contributor to have the recession, that's all they're offering. i mean, they're quite clear. every time you have a republican on your program d you asked them, what's their plans going to be, they either don't ask it, or say, we're going to go back to what we did before, which led the country this close to a great depression. >> so i'll ask you this.
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you have that just about right, but there are some democrat as you know, who don't want the president to raise taxes in the middle of a recession, even though the president ran on this, saying the bush tax cuts would expire, and he would let them pire, except for the middle class families. is this such an important policy e 8, , that even if youav h 10, 12, 15 house democrats who say, if you don't help me here, i'm going to lose my seat, that that's acceptable president that the deficit and not extending those tax cuts for wealthy americans is so important that you wouldn't make a political compromise? >> well, listen, there were a w democrats devoted for the original bush tax cuts in the first place. and those democrats having a different point of view will make their case. but, you know, this was, as the president, i think probably for every day of 700 days during that long campaign y mentioned talkedbout this, was very cloer. and this is a fundamental difference. 80% of these tax cuts of republicans want to give go to millionaires. and listen, everyone's going to get a tax cut. but the presidents and a lot of democrats want to end at $250,000 worth of income. and you hear some of the
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republicans talk about, although boehner was honest about this yesterday, we're only talking about 3% of small businesses. most of those are big lawyers -- the small b talking about are small businesses like glenn ck and sarah palin and they're a media empire. so theistinction here is clear. and again, it's a trip down memory lane. these areli the policies that l us off the cliff in the first place. so you've got one idea, the president, the democrats saying, tax cuts for the middle class, for small businesses. the republicans, who like to lecture us on fiscal discipline, who created these deficits in the first place, are more than comfortable giving $700 billion in tax cuts, largely to millionaires and billionaires, and they won't tell you they can pay for it. even worse, they say they shn'ouldt have to. so this is a big difference, and i think it helps crystallize for people there is a choice here. there's a choice going back to the economic policies that led us o a cliff, or we can move forward, knowing we'reat sisfied with where we are today economically, but we're moving in the right direction. >> you wrote a book after the campaign and then you updated it a bit to focus on the 2010
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midterm elections and in that update, you wrote this, "we are blessed with competent opposition. the republican party has failed, even in a time of perceived weakness in democrats, to sbil any confidence in the american people or in independent voters in particular." that is your position, david plouffe, but i wanted to show you the numbers from our most recent cnn polling. you say the republicans have not inspired any confidence in independent voters itn particular, and yet when we ask independents, how will you vote for congress this year, 62% of independents now say they will vote republican. if the republican party hasn't inspired confidence in them, has the president or the democratic party just driven them away? >> well, listen, independent voters, particularly in recent times, do fluctuate a lot from election to election. and you know, that's a national number. i see a lot deferent numbers in states and districts. but the point is, none of that vote is really based on them improving th wt'r image. and listen, what's going to happen in delaware tomorrow, whether castle wins or loses, is a big problem for the republican
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party. in the short-term, i think it can help us remind democrats who might not be inclined to vote, and independents who are still gettable that this is the republican party. that pin, liaugh, beck and that wing of the party is in control. and if you look down the line in elections, even in '12, where you're going to have 60 million, 70 million more voters, i can ll you, most of that increase is not people who are part of that extreme right wing. they're going to be more moderate independents, a lot more democrats, as you mentioned, minorities and younger voters. so it's areal problem. and i think something that is fascinating to watch. now, that being said, the republicans are going to come out to vote in big numbers. there's no question about that. and i don't think we can expect that to abate. what we have to do is go out there and make a case to the independents. i thk a lot of independents haven't yet focus on the choice. our candidates are starting to lay that in front of them. we have to make this a choice. and unlike '94, i was out running a senate campaign in '94 in delaware, actually. and listen, voters tuned us out at some point. they decided. that's not where they are right now. because, again, this isn't a
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budding love affair in the offing with mitch mcconnell and john boehner. they're still distrustful of the republicans. so we have to go out there and have conversations with voters and say, remember those economic policies that hurt you and your family and hurt the economy? that's all they're offering. and of course we have a lot more work to do, but we're on the right track here. >> i want y to listen to a voter we encountered last week. you talk about going back to th obama coalition, saying, maybe you don't think voters matter, but this one ters. i want you to to listen to chi'sha. an african-american tewoman, ve excited about barack obama and she is dispirited now. >> these people come from gogoo homes or good backgrounds or had houses and land and property and was able to do things thawathey wanted to do, you know? but they don't care. they really don't care. so i think that's why the people around herare like, i'm just going to do me. i'm going to live my life and that's it. you know?
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nobody else matters. >> how do you convince her it matters? >> well, i understand and appreciate her frustration. and that of millions of americ tans, obviously. and i think what we have to do is try and reach these voters one on one, have a convsation between a neighbor, a family member. and once -- you know, first of all, explain what we've been trying to do here. that while thean economy is not where any of us would like, it is moving in the right ly direction. but more importantly than that, is what's motivating the president and a lot of people in his party. which is, unlike th policies that led us into this mess, and the republicans want to offer again, it's squarely focused on the middle class. people trying to get into the middle class. so we have to -- on tax cuts, on help for small business, on the new jobs that are being created in the energy sector, we have to say, we are trying. anth at there is an alternative here. so we have to do two things. we have to educate them about all the things we've tried to do. and i think that can be impactful. i find it to be. and secondly, talk about anth
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alternative. but there's no doubt this is going to be hard. e have tough atmospherics, we have a tough economy. in 2008, i can tell you, the turnout that we got amongst younger voters, minority voters, it was really hard to do. it just didn't happen. it took a lot of money, a lot of time, a lot of focus.ra and we in good democratic campaigns are trying to bring that to bear. we're not going to replicate '08, but if we can do a little bit better than projected, we're going to win some close races that right now looks like we might lose by a close margin. >> let me ask you this in closing, and i suspect a i'm abt to fail in this attempt. but i'm going to ask you this as david plouffe. newt gingrich quoted in the national review online this weekend, says, what if obama is so outside our comprehension that only if you understand kenyan anti-colonial behavior can you begin to piece together his actions? that is the most accurate predictive model for his behaor. whats newt gingrich trying to
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get at there? >> llw two words that come to mind are "sad" and "reprehensible." you know, i was working in congress when he was speaker and disagreed with just about everything that he did. but you got the sense there was some principle volved. he's clearly a very intelligent person. and to see him -- it makes me think, by the way, he's probably pretty sure he's going to run for president, becse he's clearly trying to appeal to the folks that are supporting christine o'don in delaware tomorrow. and you know, whether he believes there's a perceived weakne there or not, i'll leave that to him to answer. but it has no place in our politics. he knows better. he's made comments like this in the pastaround the islamic center in new york,at for instance, th are really not the newt gingrich i think a lot of us remembered. so i think it's very prehensibl. it may have an audience during the iowa caucuses next year or, pshire or new h south carolina. but i don't think that's where most americans are. and you know, you oughtto ask other republicans out there whether they agree with that.
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you know, maybe they're in so -- they're so -- have tpledge so mucho fetally o palin and limbaugh and beck, i think they would say those comments are outhageous. >> we hope we can check in with you a lite closer to election day to see if you can do the work you promised you were going to do tonight. >> thanks, when we come back, a look at some of the big political stories, inclung pop stars getting involved. 48 man and woman: ♪ it's the happy birthday song ♪ love, dad and ♪ love, mom ♪ it's your birthday, now, that's the bomb ♪ ♪ you're 13 and livin' strong ♪
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welcome back. joe johns is back with the latest political news you need to know right now. >> hey, john. less than 24 hou before the
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new york primary, former president bill clinton's corded robo call that's going to voters on behalf of new york congressman charlie rangel. politics and pop culture collided at the video music awards. lady gaga wore a dressmade of meat and showed up the service members of the military's don't ask, don't tell polic footage of justi bieber in a campaign to get out the vote for thisyear's midterms. justin bieber, by the way, is canadian. that's right. on abc's "the view," senior white house adviser valerie jarrett wasco asked whether she become president obama's chief of staff if rahm emanuel leaves to run for mayor of chicago. jarrett laughed about it. >> i lovemy job. i and am sotu fortunate, really to have the responsibilities that i enjoy, th take me out and engage me every single day with people -- >> will you take thefe job if offered? >> i would like to just do what
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i'm doing. >> michael moore's also talking about getting thatng job. coming up next, is this the election ason? is it deja vu all over again? be right back.
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all right. newt gingrich, jerry brown, bill clinton. it's back to the future in polics today. let's talk it over. joe johns, our senior correspondent is with us. eddy balsera, democratic strategist. gloria borger, and from new york, ed rollins. let's pick up where i left off with david plouffe. anif they missed the last segment, newt gingrich in "national review" online says this about president obama." what if obama is so outside our comprehensiounn only if you understand kenyan anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together his actions. that is the most accurate, predictive model for his behavior. a few moments ago, i asked david plouffe, the architect of the obamcampaign in 2008, what point he thinks gingrich was trying to make, and he was not happy.
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>> well, you know, two words that come to mind are "sad" and "reprehensible." you know, i was working in congressgr when he was speaker d disagreed with just about everything that heu did. but you got the sense there was some principle involved. he's cpearly a very intelligent person. and to see him -- it makes me think, bthe way, he's probably pretty sure he's going to run for president. >> ed rollins, what is he doing? 30 years,own newt for and i've never quite figured out what he's doing. he does a little bit of inllectual exercises sometimes, probably, where his brain gets working a little bit faster than his mouth. sometimes the opposite happens. i think he has a theory here. i don't think ma people ar going to support the theory. and i think he ought to basically just be focused on is the priden who basically is out of the mainstream, for many republicans' perspective, and argue those points of view against his programs as opposed to trying to do this intellectual drill about, he's a kenyan or wherever he comes from
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or any of the rest of it. >> there is a way to say the president doesn't think like you, if that's your position -- >> he's out of the mainstream. >> he's out of the mainstream, or spent too much time overseas as a child and he doesn't think those things. you can say those things and people will either agree or disagree, but to say "kenyan an anti-colonial," that seems to be -- >> not like us. he's not like us. and all that that implies, which is why david plouffed called it sad and reprehensible. newt gingrich, is a man of ideas, but this is playing to some kind of lowest common denominator or maybe some intellectual high plain. i can't figure it out, but it's certainly not the newt gingrich i used to know. -- ne of the things that first of all, you're absolutely right. if you can portray the president as a little, you know -- >> different. >> difrent, than it's easier to run against him. but the other thing about this,
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i mean, intellectually, newt gingrich was responding to a magazine article that was written by denesh desouza, who is, by the way, a native of mumbai, who thinks he knows a little bit about anti-colonialism, so gingrich is basically buying into that. >> does that have to do with tea parties? >> but what people don't read in is that denesh desouza is a former analyst in the reagan administration. >> but it's red meat for the base. it's what he's been doing, what sarah palin's been doing. that's why these candidates in alaska and florida and maybe in delaware and in new hampsre are going to win in these primaries, and i don't tnk iort ets votes f them in the general. but it certainly riles up the base in the primaries. and theseth analysts say that republicans are going to overwhelmingly turn out because of these primaries, i don't buy it. they've ju had much more contentiouprimaries around the country and are bringing out this kind of base. >> let's move on to my favorite
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back to the future moment, because i lived troh some of it. selfish of me. out in californ, meg whitman is the republican nominee. jerry brown, a former governor, one-time presidential candidate, is the democratic nominee. and meg whitman calls on an unlikely source in a new campaign ad. >> rry brown's go old days. but whatha really happened? >> cnn, not me, cnn says his assertion about his tax record was, quote, just plain wrong. >> let's stop that there. that's bill clinton. that's bill clinton, criticizing jerry brown back in 1992. it was governor bill clinton at the time. jerry brown didn't like that ad and he has responded. >> and meg whitman, she stops at nothing. she's even got clinton lined up. did you see that? did you see that? it's a lie. they'll say anything. that's why we have to have our own truth squad. >> let's stop that one there. jerry brown went on to say, i
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did not have taxes -- he made some joke about something involving monica lewinsky. i'm not going to quite go there, and tonight had to apologize. jerry brown said bill clinton was a good president and he didn't mean to stir all that up. i want to bring the group in. but first, a little bit of history. back in the 1992 presidential primaries, jerry brown stayed in long after governor clinton thought it was all over and he should get out and things got a little nasty. here's one snippet. >> you will say anything, but you ought to be ashamed for yourself for jumping on my wife. you're not worth being on the same platfo -- >> i'll tell you something, mr. clinton, don't try to say it. i'm saying i never funneled any money to my wife's law firm. never. >> well, day got $115,000 in bond business. >> i actually thought -- that was the only time covering a debate i thought the candidates were going to start fighting. they were hot. does this matter in the co california race? >> of course not. when you have unemployment as high as it is and people losing their homes, this doesn't matter. this is the kind of stuff that especially the old polls get into. it's inside baseball.
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what that really shows you is that bill clinton is a master. >> can i just say, that was a great ad? i think it's a terrific campaign ad that whitman -- >> for the last three days of the campaign. >> right! because it's got him back on his heels. >> let me give ed rollins ten seconds, if you've got it in you, ed. >> i'll go further back with jerry brown. jerry brown, this is about integrity. and i think that jerry brown is now coming, challenging whitman on the integrity. if he basically can prove his case, then that will damage her credibility. people don't want people that aren't honest in politics today. >> appreciate everybody coming in tonight. gloria, boy,joe and i love that campaign. that was a feisty one. how about you? disenchant ordinary fired up? plenty of voters on both sides heading into tomorrow's primary. pete on the street has your stories and that advice, next.
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let's check in with rick sanchez for a check of what's coming up in just a minute or so on "rick's list" prime-time. >> so this mexican beauty who's a reporter goes to cover an nfl football apple. the nfl football team starts throwing balls in her direction and making catcalls. well, some women's groups are up in arms about their behavior.
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they're apologizing. the nfl's investigating. and iave an interview with her. the first one. back to you guys. seven states and right here in washington, d.c., holding thei r primaries tomorrow. there are some major races at stake, so how about you? you going to vote? pete dingomk is finding out. pete? >> hey, john king, thart. tomorrow one of the last primarh days. it's here in new york. i went to find out, do people know it's primary day, and are they going to vote? here's what they said.u you don't know if you're voting tomorrow? what about in november? >> in november, absolutely. >> reporter: so you're voting morryes or no? >> voting? >> reporter: primaries are tomorrow. you didn't know? i did not know. >> reporter: are you disenchanted or fired up, if i only give you those two options, for tomorrow? >> fired up. >> reporter: are you voting tomorrow? >> no. >> reporter: tell her she should vote, sir. >> vote, vote. >> reporter: will you now vote that i told you you should vote? >> yes, i will.
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>> reporter: are you a robot? >> yes, i am. >> reporter: but you'll still vote tomorrow? >> yes, i will. >> reporter: areou lying? >> no. >> reporter: are you v register to vote? not.o, i'm i just turned 18. i don't know what to do. >> reporter: are you voting tomorrow? >> no. >> reporter: why not? >> my vote means nothing. >> novem>>r. november. >> reporter: but not tomorrow? >> no. >> reporter: you don't knowe? where to vote? >> online or something? >> reporter: line, what is this, "american idol"? you voting? >> wno, sir. >> reporter: why not? >> i don't believepo in the politicians of new york state. >> fired up. >> slightly disenchanted. ould you describe me as attractive or average? >> in between. >> very attractive. >> reporter: john king, wee foud out that some were nchanted, some were fired up, but anecdotally, i feel like young people are a little too apathetic. am i overly concerned about young people? >> i don't think you are.
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